More like, “How to Get Away With Murder, General Lack of Ethics, and Portraying Law School With No Accuracy.”
I was beginning to think that the law school setting had basically disappeared (seriously, just make all the main characters junior associates at Annalise’s firm since the show barely cares about school), but it finally came back this episode.
I’m at a highly ranked law school and no one is nearly as mean to each other as they are in this show. Upperclassmen and student organizations LOVE to share outlines. People look for study groups. You might get one or a couple of people actively out to sabotage others but that’s really pretty rare, unlike what this show makes it seem. Also, professors and deans really discourage that kind of behavior—everyone emphasizes that you should really try to make a reputation as a nice person, because it’s going to have ramifications beyond law school. (I’ve had to sit through several lectures on this already.)
In this episode they act like using someone famous’s outlines is the Hand of God or something, when really the value is in making your own outline because the process allows you to digest and internalize the material.
TL;DR: Did anyone who worked on this show actually talk to anyone who attended law school?
This is seriously the most accurate description of depression. Wow.
My friend asked for GW2 screenshots, so I managed to get this one while I was fighting The Shatterer. :)
While it’s a bit early in the season to comment, so far the friendzone concept seems to be dead in The Flash, and I really like that. While Barry’s clearly kind of upset about Iris being with Eddie, he also wants her to be happy and still wants to be her friend. :)
Seriously though I’m going to flip 100 tables if they don’t get together
BUT, as regards women lawyers, I say: this focus on women lawyers’ attire is driven (once again, as in so many arenas) by the need for men to control women (and yes, women will police other women for them, as in the stilletto example above). Our culture still judges women, even the most powerful women, by a completely different standard (one inferior) to men: Diane Sawyer asking Hillary Clinton if she can be both a grandmother and president (did anyone ask Dwight Eisenhower that question when he was running?), the New York Times firing Jill Abrahamson because of her “abrasive” management style (did anyone fire Abe Rosenthal for being too abrasive?).
The fact of the matter is, professional women who have spent three years and tens of thousands of dollars are smart enough to pick out their own wardrobes without help. Women usually are aware of how they look, and what effect their clothes are intended to have. To those who complain about women’s courtroom attire, I say: you may not agree with her choices, you may not like them… but unless you really think a woman did not intend to present the appearance she does (there’s a run in the back of her tights, she has chalk on the seat of her pants, she is missing a button, or her skirt is hiked up in back) then keep your thoughts to yourself. Why not focus your energy on, oh… something that matters?
I’m curious what fellow lawblrs have heard as ‘advice’ regarding their attire. I’ve heard on several occasions not to wear skirts to interviews, as it makes us appear too ‘feminine.’
So, to sum up today:
miss-sardonic has been told by moot court judges, in recorded comments, that she should have been wearing a skirt instead of a pantsuit.
a-necessary-dream has been told women shouldn’t wear pantsuits
emmeetsworld has said that her office has a rule of skirts for court (kudos to the in-house more casual dress code). She also notes that the Hilary Clinton look (conservative skirt-suit, pumps, pearl earrings) is commonly considered a must for East-Coast interviews.
Jdandunderemployed has been told that she shouldn’t wear shirts that fall outside the dark blue/black spectrum. She also has heard stories about how women shouldn’t wear pants during moot courts. (And her story about the legal aid lawyers is great)
theshinyinternets has been told, by a moot court judge, in lieu of constructive feedback, that she should ‘leave her hair down’ because it looked to ‘severe’ pulled back and she’s a ‘lovely girl.’ Kudos to her for not killing him dead right there.
notloblawlawblog has been told to not have her shoes too high OR too short. You know, like Goldilocks. Also, you should wear enough makeup to look like a ‘woman,’ but not so much as so men actually ‘know’ you’re wearing it.
And OP herself, heather-ilene has a great story about her Legal Research prof telling her that without a suit jacket and button-up white shirt, she couldn’t possibly be expected to be dressed for court.
Miss-Sardonic put it best, when she said: Judges and other attorneys will feel they can critique your appearance because you’re a woman, and their advice will contradict, so you really can’t win.
Ladies, I have to applaud you for the fact that you all take this crap with a grain of salt, you don’t punch the people who are trying to police your body in the face and, hopefully, you stand by your fellow ladies when they make their own wardrobe choices.
If you’ve got your own story, please share. It helps when we’re not alone in feeling how ridiculous this is. Perhaps, if we’re lucky, the sharing of stories will empower other women to stand up and not let others dictate what should be in their wardrobe.
So interesting to see all of this. More power to the amazing lawblr women who not only put up with the standard law school shit that men do but also have to deal with all this other crap and still come out successful.
ugh like fuck all this though, for real. i’m so glad i’m not going to law school to be a lawyer, because i’d tear up all sorts of shit trying to deal with this. and if a professor tries to tell me and my female classmates this shit, i’mma say something about it. like, fuck it. i refuse to passively accept these kinds of sexist standards, which lbr, are only being upheld because people are too scared to deviate from the norm. they do what their professors tell them and then they tell other people to do what they’re doing. and it’s all bullshit.
i mean, the high heel thing alone drives me nuts. how many studies exist that show how incredibly damaging heels are? SO MANY. they cause
- bone spurs
- plantar fasciitis
- achilles’ tendonitis
- knee pain
- hip pain
- back pain
- bone fractures
- muscle contraction
- bad posture
- unnatural gait
- NOT TO MENTION BLISTERS
we’ve gone through too many millennia of evolution for anyone to convince me that high heels are necessary for anything.
and i don’t wear skirts very much. i have fat thighs. i don’t like the rubbing that happens. i much prefer pants- they’re more comfortable and way easier to move around in. and if some employer or some judge or some professor tells me i’m required to wear that kind of stuff? i will ask them very plainly to lay out exactly why that’s necessary for me to be physically able to do my job. and if they can’t find a reason why i am required to wear heels or a skirt or a certain color of clothing to be physically capable of performing my job duties, then i’m calling bullshit. i’m just not putting up with it.
Simbuck, you have forgotten me
REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE
I cannot stop laughing at this
cyborg. wonder woman. jewish flash. native hawaiian aquaman.
I’m so happy that after Agent of SHIELD and Constantine’s queer erasures, The Flash is not choosing to go that path.
I can’t believe I’ve reached the point at which I’m now thinking “Man, I really hope I can get through torts class tomorrow without getting triggered by my professor!”
i have time to draw againnnnnn now i just have to remember how
dialogue shamelessly stolen from captain america #603. here's the non-separated version
False rape accusations are an anomaly.
True rape accusations are a norm.
You’re, quite literally, more likely to be killed by a comet than falsely accused of rape.
Re-blog now, read later.
"Because 1 in 33 men will be raped in his lifetime, men are 82,000x more likely to be raped than falsely accused of rape. It seems many of us would do well to pay more attention to how rape culture affects us all than be paranoid about false accusers.”